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The Price of Illusion: Joan Juliet Buck

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J’avais hâte de lire le livre de Joan Juliet Buck, The Price of Illusion. Pour moi, Joan, c’était une aventurière. La première fois que j’ai entendu parler d’elle, elle était rédactrice en chef de l’édition parisienne de Vogue, et je ne l’ai plus oubliée ensuite : Joan Juliet Buck. Une Américaine qui a vécu à Paris, Londres et New York, et qui s’est forgé une réputation multifacette. Son livre m’a plongée dans un tourbillon de souvenirs, dans la tête, les émotions d’une femme à laquelle je m’identifie beaucoup. Indépendante, fragile, moderne, sentimentale, avec une sensibilité artistique… mais surtout, authentique.

On s’est donc rencontrées mardi au Bar Marmont, autour d’un café et de délicieuses pâtisseries (sans gluten, mais avec une petite cigarette), et on a discuté comme si on se connaissait depuis toujours. J’espère que vous aimerez cette rencontre autant qu’elle m’a plu !

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Revenir à Los Angeles…
Je suis revenue y vivre un an, en 1975-76, après avoir quitté le Women’s Wear Daily, parce que je voulais écrire un roman. J’ai passé mon permis à 27 ans, ce qui faisait hurler de rire les enfants de mes amis, qui n’avaient jamais vu quelqu’un d’aussi âgé apprendre à conduire. Los Angeles m’a offert deux choses cette année-là. La conduite et la lecture.

Les livres qu’elle a lus pour écrire le sien…
J’ai surtout lu des mémoires écrites par des hommes. J’ai lu par exemple “Full Service”, par un type qui tenait un bordel dans une station-service et qui a fourni tout LA. Je voulais voir ce que ça faisait d’être honnête.

Pour quoi elle a accepté le poste au Vogue français…
J’ai juste accepté parce que je n’avançais pas dans mon roman, je venais de me faire larguer, la litière de mon chat sentait mauvais, il neigeait… Je me suis dit, Pourquoi pas ?

Ce qu’elle attendait de ses employés chez Vogue…
Je voulais que le magazine soit drôle. Je voulais que les gens choisissent des sujets qui leur plaisaient vraiment. On est toujours dans ce distinguo entre ce qu’on doit faire/ce qu’on attend de nous et ce qui nous plaît/ce qu’on a envie de faire.

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Sur son envie d’écrire après avoir quitté Vogue…
Il faut que je me remette à écrire. Ça fait des années que je n’ai pas écrit. J’ai passé mon temps en front row des défilés, des chaussures ultra-douloureuses aux pieds, à faire des salamalecs. Pendant presque sept ans, je n’étais pas dans la vraie vie. Je ne suis pas très inspirée en tant qu’auteure.

Ce qu’elle a appris en écrivant ce livre…
Avant d’écrire ce livre, j’avais l’impression que j’allais faire une espèce de patchwork composé d’erreurs et d’échecs. Attention, je vais faire du name-dropping : un jour, Lou Reed, un ami, m’a dit : « Tu devrais écrire un livre qui s’appelle ‘Comment tout rater’. » Je n’ai rien à exhiber, sauf ce que j’ai dans le cœur, et c’est ce que j’ai mis dans le livre. Et en écrivant, je me suis rendu compte que j’avais eu une vie bien remplie. C’est juste que je n’avais aucun trophée, aucune récompense à exhiber.

Sur ce qu’elle pense des cures de désintox (elle n’a jamais été addict à quoi que ce soit)…
Je me suis dit que ces désintox devaient regorger de vraies gens. Et comme ce sont des endroits très protégés, confidentiels, je me suis dit que je pourrais pleurer en public, comme tout le monde. Je me suis dit que je pourrais rencontrer des gens, sans fard. Pas une seconde je ne me suis dit que j’allais passer pour une droguée !

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A propos de l’univers de la mode qui ne lui manque pas du tout…
On regarde un défilé après avoir attendu une heure, parfois deux. Il y a 12 minutes de show et après, on va voir le designer pour lui dire à quel point il est génial. Passer de cet environnement à paillettes absurde à un studio de répétition miteux, entourée de gens qui sont habillés de manière ordinaire… Juste se retrouver là et répéter une scène… c’est génial.

Indépendance chérie…
Se perdre dans un autre, c’est un problème. C’est pour ça que je suis ravie d’avoir 68 ans, parce que je ne m’investirai plus avec aucun homme. Ça ne m’intéresse pas !

A propos de son père, qui a vécu avec elle sur le tard…
Une année, pour mon anniversaire, je l’ai emmené chez Caviar Kaspia, juste lui et moi, tous les deux. Je lui ai dit que s’il ne me parlait pas de la guerre, on pourrait prendre du beluga. Il me dit « Ok ». Je commande le beluga, et là, il me parle de la guerre !

L’aventure de l’écriture…
Si on sait ce qu’on va écrire avant d’avoir commencé, on s’ennuie, on n’a pas d’énergie, on n’a pas envie d’écrire. Mais si ça reste une aventure, une découverte, c’est beaucoup plus enthousiasmant. On se surprend soi-même et on ravit ses lecteurs !

Comment elle aimerait vivre…
J’aimerais croire qu’on peut vivre sans être faux.

The Price of Illusion: Joan Juliet Buck

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  • 68! Enchanting intellect, honest, clean style, and gorgeous. A very inspiring woman.

  • I remember when she was named editor and seeing a photo of her with her cropped hairstyle and a plain white shirt and thinking she was SO daring. On the other hand, what I’ve read so far of the book has annoyed me. Like her comment about why she took the Vogue job–as if it were pfff!! nothing at all.

  • Le Bazhaar 28 mars 2017, 9:41

    I kind of agree with this: Working for Vogue is the dream of many young women who wants a career in fashion, and it’s not accessible for everybody so what she says about how she got into the magazine and why she took the job can seem a bit un greatful to certain people… Overall I also felt that Garance was criticizing a lot her time when she was attending fashion week. I know this industry can be tough and sometimes so unfair but she has been granted premium access to the most renowned brands, talk to talented designers, seat side by side with big fashion editors and celebrities and I felt she loved it at the time, so even if I understand she got tired of it after a while, I’m kind of surprise of this drastic change of heart. She probably realized once she was part of this world that it is not as nice as it seems (like many of us who worked in the industry did), but still I believe she had the privilege of seeing beautiful things… Just my opinion.

  • What a cool interview!

    -Kirsten // http://www.porkandcookies.com

  • Brilliant!

  • Sunny Side 23 mars 2017, 1:34 / Répondre

    Quelle chance de la rencontrer et de parler avec elle. J’adorais ses Vogue, je les ai gardés. Elle avait fait à Noël le Dalai Lama bien avant tout le monde et d’autres tellement enchanteurs ! Elle avait un talent réjouissant. Hâte de lire son livre !

  • What are the « brass rings » of life? What is it that you should show? I do not get it.

  • It means living the life to its fullest potential :)

  • Absolutely inspiring, authentic and warm. Plan to listen to this several times.
    Grand merci!

  • I’m afraid I mostly think of her fawning piece on Al Assad’s wife. I don’t know what happened with that interview exactly but it was so unfortunate Vogue published that piece and the photos. My thoughts go to the people of Syria once again, such wonderful people I met there in 2002. I’ve never read any of her statements about that interview but I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she regretted it

  • Voila un sacré caractère et une femme de pouvoir avec du vécu : j’aime beaucoup sa personnalité assez atypique !

    Au passage, très jolies chaussures Garance :)

    Des bisous,

    Mido.
    http://www.bowsome.com/

  • It’s so refreshing to hear someone admit that the world of fashion is frivolous and to an intellect, boring. Joan is an authentic women. A woman that would be a pleasure to converse with. Absolutely no airs! Thank you for introducing us, Garance.

  • Cette interview a l’air génial, rien que les premiers extraits m’ont inspiré, merci Garance de nous faire découvrir de nouvelles personnalités <3

  • Fabolous

    Lovely Bianca

  • Thank you Garance for this great interview!

  • gabriela 26 mars 2017, 3:19 / Répondre

    I adored listening to this conversation! All this honesty is golden! Thanks.

  • Such a great conversation, will listen to it more than once! Makes me happy, thanks so much for this!

  • Thank you for this wonderful conversation. So interesting to hear both of you talk of your experiences with such honesty and grace. Very rare and refreshing.

  • I was very lucky to be able to work many times with Joan while she was a Vogue Paris. She was daring and bold, she went very far with her ideas and gave artists a lot of freedom. She never had a problem saying what she thought and was always there to challenge your take on things, question them, see if they were authentic.
    At that time she began working with the new artists that I represented: David Lachapelle, Blanca Li, Donna Trope etc when no one else dared. These are now well known names but Joan was the first to believe in them in Paris and give them a voice at Vogue.
    From this collaboration our friendship was born and I have been a die-hard fan ever since.
    I have loved The Price of Illusion….do not miss reading it this unique book. Thank you Garance for this great interview.

  • Late comment for this but… Wow! What an amazing podcast! I’m also french and started a creative career pretty late after a more corporate, comfortable yet unfulfilling career! And it took me a while to get the confidence to change path even though everything in me was screaming « creativity ». But until now I never realized that French culture had been a factor in it! So thanks a lot :)

  • Loooove this one so much! I’ve finally listed to it and I am sure I am going to relisten very soon :) Such an inspiring interview!
    Thank you Garance & The Atelier!

    Kisses,
    M.

  • Super intéressant !
    En plus l’été arrive, rien de mieux que de combler ça avec ma cure minceur du moment !!
    https://ozasun.com/produit/ozasun-tea-the-detox-naturel

  • I finally made the time to listen and I loved it. How come I didn’t know her?. Garance, your admiration of her really shows on the way you conducted the interview, wow, she is an elegant and intelligent woman. It felt real and intimate and I could continue listen to you two for hours. About your fashion week years, I felt as a reader that you gave us access to those closed doors only allowed to a few, giving us the chance to reveal « the mystery » through your eyes, but I have to say that sometimes that content triggered some feelings: that I myself wasn’t having the shiny life I was supposed to have . I personally celebrate the actual content, not that I wasn’t having fun before, those years were amusing but know I really feel I can learn something new or I can be super inspired by an amazing human being or a way of living, or that after reading a post an idea sparks or lead me to something else. All things that can add that extra value to my life.
    Going back to Joan, I will definitely read her memoir, my actual favourite book genre.
    XO,
    Mercedes

  • Enjoyed this immensely! Excellent podcast. Your conversation was refreshing and so honest. Thank you for this. Can’t wait to read her book. Merci mille fois

  • Deborah Kolar 7 juin 2017, 1:38 / Répondre

    Wonderful. I’ve just finished reading the book and enjoyed every moment of it.

  • I have to say I was a bit hesitant before listening to this podcast as I have heard Joan was a decisive figure, but I came out of listening absolutely inspired by her life, her words and most importantly her honesty and ability to talk about her feelings so vividly. She pauses sometimes before she answers and really thinks about what she is going to say. She is very honest about her talents and flaws. She is also Jewish and I wonder if she talks more about this in her book. Garance you did an amazing job interviewing her. Thanks for this podcast and I hope to soon read her book. All the best, Amy (www.modestjerusalem.com)

  • What a delightful interview. I will definitely get her book! I read and interview if her in the 4th issue of Upstate Diary- she is fascinating.
    I love how in this interview she is looking forward to her lilacs and a new washer and dryer! I’ll bet her home is a cosy retreat, authentic and inspiring.
    I am always encouraged when I listen to older women who live for themselves and are honest about who they are and what they want.
    Thanks for the podcast!

  • Wow I am speechless. A couple of years ago I came to live to New York (I am not a rich person, in fact I come from a very poor area from Mexico City it was just a little luck in my destiny) to make my Fashion dream come true and what I came to find was that working for the Fashion Industry (FI) wasn’t what I expected and you explained very well. Now I decided to distance myself from that and work on my own still trying to find what is what I want to do. I always felt that I was the only one living that. I can’t wait to find and read this book and you both ladies are my inspiration to continue looking and working in my dreams.

  • I too had the pleasure of meeting Joan Juliet Buck…but I would have loved to sipped coffee or wine while listening to more of her stories and truths learned. I loved her book and enjoyed your story of your talk with her. Thank you.

  • Excellent website. Lots of helpfuul information here.
    I am sending iit to some friends ans additionally sharing in delicious.
    And of course, thanks on your sweat!

  • Nice interview

  • easybuilder.pro 8 juin 2019, 2:54 / Répondre

    very stylish :)

  • wow, my friend lead me here.
    shout out to anne.
    thanks for let me know this blog.

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